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slash UK slash AI for people. Welcome to Scientific American Science Talk posted on April 18th,

2017. I'm Steve Murski. On this episode, at the genetic level,

how in the world is it possible that selecting for just behavior, this tame behavior,

could lead to all of the other things that they see in these domesticated foxes?

That's Lee Dugotkin. He's an evolutionary biologist and science historian at the University of Louisville,

and he's the co-author of a new book titled How to Tame a Fox and Build a Dog. The other author of the book

is the extraordinary Ludmilla Trout, Professor of Evolutionary Genetics at the Institute of

Cytology and Genetics in

Novosibirsk, Siberia, who started running this legendary Fox domestication experiment

when she was 25 and is still running it at the age of 83.

Trude and Dugatkin are also the authors of an article about the research in the May issue

of Scientific American called How to Build a Dog.

Trut does not speak much English, so I spoke with the Dugatkin by phone.

Tell us about this amazing experiment that's gone on for six decades.

What was the impetus for it?

Dmitri Belayev, who is the person who got the experiment started initially, was fascinated

with the process of domestication. He had worked with domesticated animals in various different

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