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The Ezra Klein Show

Does Trump Want to Lose the Midterms?

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

News, Government, Society & Culture

4.314.5K Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2026

⏱️ 75 minutes

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Summary

President Trump doesn’t seem to care that much about winning the midterms. He’s more unpopular at this point in his second term than basically any of his modern predecessors. Democrats seem poised to retake the House and have a real chance of retaking the Senate. You might expect a president in that position to pivot to the center, to focus on voters’ top concerns and try to boost the strongest Republicans in key races. Trump isn’t doing any of that. Instead, he announced a $1.8 billion slush fund to pay out “victims of lawfare,” he threatened to re-escalate the Iran war, and he intervened in Republican primaries in ways that are gifts to Democrats, like endorsing the scandal-plagued Ken Paxton over the incumbent, John Cornyn, in Texas’ Senate race. Why doesn’t Trump seem to care more about winning? Liam Donovan is a Republican strategist and a president at Targeted Victory, a Washington public affairs and digital marketing firm. He has worked on the National Republican Senatorial Committee and for Cornyn. In this conversation, we discuss the moves Trump is making, the rough political environment for Republicans and what the paths to Democratic victories look like. Mentioned: “Graham Platner Thinks a Political Revolution Is Coming” by The Interview Thomas Massie interview in The Washington Examiner Book Recommendations: The Right by Matthew Continetti Apple in China by Patrick McGee The Frackers by Gregory Zuckerman Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Jack McCordick. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris with Julie Beer and Mary Marge Locker. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld. Our recording engineer is Johnny Simon. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Emma Kehlbeck, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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The

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The My pet theory right now is that Donald Trump is not trying to win the midterm election.

0:36.8

I'm not saying he's trying to lose it exactly.

0:39.8

I just don't think he cares.

0:41.9

What he cares about is controlling the Republican Party.

0:44.9

The Republican Party is his power base.

0:47.3

The Republican Party is his protection.

0:49.9

The Republican Party is how he can wield power far into the future long after his presidency,

0:55.0

and so control of it is what he's prioritizing.

0:58.6

I call this a theory, but it's more like a hypothesis.

1:01.8

It has predictions. You can test them.

1:04.8

Trump is more unpopular at this point in his second term than basically any of his modern predecessors.

1:10.4

The midterm elections,

1:11.2

they're less than six months away. He could easily lose the House. He could actually lose the Senate now.

1:17.0

So what is he doing? Well, if you wanted to win the midterms, he'd be moving to the center.

1:24.4

He'd be focusing on the things that Americans are angry about, disappointed in him about.

1:29.8

He'd be supporting the strongest Republicans in contested races and doing everything he possibly

1:34.6

could to bolster Republicans in vulnerable states and districts.

1:40.2

He is not doing even a little bit of that. Not even a bit.

1:45.5

Instead, he's doing the opposite.

1:50.0

He's announcing a $1.8 billion slush fund that appears designed to pay out to January six rioters.

1:51.3

He endorsed the scandal-plagued, very controversial Ken Paxton over John Cornyn in Texas,

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