This is God Whirley, and I'm joined by my co-host, Jen Wilkin, and J.T. England.

What would be your walkout song for Knowing Faith episode, Jen?

If you're like, you're a badder coming to the plate for the Knowing Faith podcast, what's your walkout song for Knowing Faith episode, Jen? If you're like, you're badder coming to the plate for the Knowing Faith podcast, what's your walkout song? J.T. Both of you guys is back in black because that's all you guys. Yes. Oh my gosh. I love Back in Black too. That's a great one. J.T. I want that song too, though, but I don't always wear black. What are you doing?

What are you doing?

Another one bites the dust. I don't know what I would do. That's a good question. Like, it depends. Are we doing like weightlifting stuff? Are we like, I was going to say. No, you're, no, you're coming out to record the podcast. I know.

Like, am I trying to get pumped up and, like, get, you know, kind of raw, raw, or is it like we're going to talk theology and it needs to be like a, like a Forrest Frank? Okay, okay. Vivaldi. Yeah, it's tough. I feel stuck. It depends on the kind of episode. Are we like agreeing and like kumbayaing this thing? Or do I need to get like pumped up to?

Yours should be kumbaya. Yeah. Yeah. Mine would definitely be stuck in the middle. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Here I am. Stuck in the middle. That's how it feels most days. But, well, we this season are looking at some thorny questions and some tricky topics.

We aren't trying to do hot takes.

I mean, we're really not.

We are going to disagree with each other.

Do we really have to try?

Nope.

They just come out naturally.

You're right.

We're not trying at all.

This is completely organic.

But we do think that these issues matter.

Even issues that are controversial or pragmatic, they matter.

And we want to discuss them.

For most of the episodes this season, we have not had a, for none of the episodes this season, have we had a

formal conversation about this, like in a conference or even like a teaching environment that

we've co-taught in or on an episode of Knowing Faith. For some of them, we have had informal

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