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The Next Big Idea

Does "Mattering" Explain Everything?

The Next Big Idea

Next Big Idea Club

Science, Social Sciences, Society & Culture, Education

4.41.3K Ratings

🗓️ 29 January 2026

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

In her new book, ⁠Mattering⁠, Jennifer Wallace argues that our deepest crises — loneliness, anxiety, political rage — stem from a single unmet need: the need to matter. How did this happen, and what can we do about it? The Next Big Idea is now on YouTube! Check out our episodes ⁠here⁠. If you enjoyed this conversation, we think you'll like Jennifer’s previous appearance on the show, her episode of The Next Big Idea Daily, and Rebecca Goldstein’s book bite for The Mattering Instinct. Follow Rufus on LinkedIn, subscribe to our Substack, or send us an email. The best way to support the show is by becoming a Next Big Idea Club member. Learn more at nextbigideaclub.com, and use code PODCAST for a super secret discount (spoiler: it’s 20% off). Today’s episode is sponsored by Shopify. Start your $1/month trial at ⁠shopify.com/nbi⁠

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0:00.0

I'm Rufus Griscombe, and I'm Caleb Bissinger, and this is the next big idea.

0:05.0

Today, the word that explains why we're lonely, anxious, and disengaged. Think about your basic needs.

0:31.4

Food, shelter, safety.

0:34.6

What if there's another?

0:36.3

One you've overlooked.

0:40.8

One we'd never talk about. Mattering.

0:46.1

Feeling valued by the people around you and knowing that you make a difference.

0:51.3

It used to be baked into daily life. You know your neighbors, you helped each other out.

0:54.6

You probably belonged to a religious community. You worked at a company that rewarded your loyalty with a pension, maybe a gold watch.

0:59.5

These ecosystems, if you will, of mattering have eroded.

1:04.2

Jennifer Wallace is the author of the new book Mattering, published this week,

1:09.0

and she believes this erosion explains a lot of what ails us.

1:12.8

When we are made to feel like we don't matter, we can withdraw, we can become anxious, depressed,

1:18.9

turn against ourselves. But the good news, because we always try to bring you good news on the show,

1:24.6

do we? Well, mostly, I think we're aiming for a two to one ratio here, Caleb. But the good news on the show. Do we? Well, mostly, I think we're aiming for a two to one ratio here, Caleb.

1:30.0

But the good news is that we can do something about it. It may not be easy, but it's worth it.

1:36.7

To matter to the people around me, to matter to colleagues, to matter to my family.

1:42.0

It's not just small work or big work. It's the work. It's the work of being a

1:49.1

human. Let's get to work.

1:55.5

Today's episode of the next big idea is sponsored by Shopify.

2:03.6

Shopify gives you everything you need to sell online and in-person.

2:07.4

Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at Shopify.com slash NBI.

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