Does God Ground Morality? Christian vs Atheist Objectivist Debate with Caleb Woodbridge and Samuel Walker Werth hosted by John Nelson

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🗓️ 26 March 2026

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Can morality be objective without God? In this thought-provoking episode of Unbelievable, host John Nelson brings together Christian writer Caleb Woodbridge and Objectivist thinker Thomas Walker-Werth for a deep clash over reason, self-interest, human dignity and the basis of right and wrong. Is morality grounded in God’s nature, or can human reason alone discover universal moral truths? Drawing on Christian theology, Ayn Rand’s Objectivism, Aristotle, Pascal and questions of sacrifice, flourishing and human value, the conversation explores whether morality is something we receive, discover or construct. Along the way, they tackle original sin, rational self-interest, charity, suffering, obligation and the future vision each worldview offers for society. If you’ve ever wondered whether ethics needs God, or whether secular reason can carry the full weight of morality, this debate will give you plenty to chew on. Thomas Walker-Werth is managing editor of The Objective Standard, a journal of culture and philosophy, and author of Reason for Living: A Rational Approach to Living Your Best Life. He also writes on science fiction as Thomas W. Anderson. Caleb Woodbridge is a Christian writer, editor and cultural apologist. He writes at Bigger on the Inside and hosts the Imaginative Discipleship podcast. Subscribe & Support 👉 Support thought-provoking conversations and help keep the show going at www.premierunbelievable.com/geolink/donate💡 🎧 Never miss an episode! Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast a www.premier.plus/unbelievable 🎙️ 🔗 Get bonus content, updates, fascinating articles, and early access to new episodes - absolutely free! Join now at www.premierunbelievable.com 📢 Follow usInstagram: https://instagram.com/premierunbelievable Facebook: https://facebook.com/premierunbelievable Tik Tok: https://tiktok.com/@premier.unbelievable X: https://x.com/UnbelievableFE

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0:00.0	Amor lived in extreme poverty in the Philippines.
0:05.2	Our childhood home was built on top of an open sewer.
0:08.2	I don't know what the sewer looks like in the UK,
0:10.8	but our house was built on a really big sewer.
0:14.5	But through her local church,
0:16.6	running Compassions Child Sponsorship Program,
0:19.8	Amour found hope.
0:21.2	Because of my sponsors, I was so inspired and I was so filled of hope that even before
0:26.2	finishing compassion, I wanted to give hope to someone.
0:30.0	Years later, Amour became a Compassion sponsor herself, releasing other children from poverty
0:36.4	in Jesus' name.
0:38.1	Since then, I have sponsored six Compassion Children.
0:41.4	The one that I have now is a child from the church where I grew up in.
0:46.1	It's a beautiful, full circle.
0:48.2	Will you move with compassion and sponsor a child?
0:51.8	Visit CompassionUK.org slash premiere.
0:59.7	Hello and welcome to Unbelievable,
1:05.1	the show which brings Christians and non-Christians together
1:07.7	to discuss theology and philosophy.
1:10.2	I'm John Nelson, and today on the show
1:12.0	we're going to be diving into all things morality. What would it mean for morality to be objective?
1:18.7	And if we grant the objectivity of morality, how can we best account for it? Joining me to untangle
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