Hello and welcome to The Rundown, a podcast from Politics Home with me Alan Tolst.

This week, as Westminster Watchers try to work out what Andy Burnham's Manchesterism agenda

might mean for the country if he wins the make-of-field by-election and becomes Prime Minister.

We're taking a look at what it might mean for our democracy,

giving his strongly and long-held views about electoral reform. So it would be to discuss whether PR's time might finally come under a new Burn & Premiership, whether we lost along the wayside once more, are the Labour MP Alex Sobel, a long-time supporter for ditching first past the post, as well as Olly Glover, lived MMP, did cut on wantage. Alongside then, Emma Harrison, CEO of the campaign group, Make Votes Matter, and Darren Hughes,

Chief Executive of the Electoral Reform Society.

So Alex, starting with you then, your chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group for Fair Elections.

You think there's kind of a growing momentum within Parliament for a shift in our electoral system? I absolutely do, and I think

that that's partly about circumstances, because we've moved from a two-party system effectively

60, 70 years ago into an increasing multi-party system. So it's not three or even four. We're

talking about really a six-party system. Scotland, Wales, you obviously have the two nationalist

parties as well. So what you're doing is seeing under first past the post a splintering of the

vote, really baspering the vote. In the recent council elections, we had somebody elected on 20.5% of the vote.

So one in five people who bothered to vote, voted for the winning candidate, which does not

give a mandate.

One of my colleagues who does support electoral form Terry Jeremy, who beatless trust,

23% in the general election.

Now, you know, it's not a mandate. And then

collectively over the whole of Parliament, you know, we've got two-thirds of the seat, the Labour Party,

on a third of the vote. Again, not representative. And if you look at councils, recent council elections,

reform, similarly, two-thirds seats, third of the vote in more than one local

authority. So the system is shattered effectively. It's a 19th century voting system in 21st century

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