Hello and welcome to The Rundown, a podcast from Politics Home with me Alan Tolhurst.

This week, with the idea of rejoining the European Union suddenly back on the agenda after Annie Burnham's

selection for the Makefield by-election and the positioning ahead of the potential labour leadership contest,

we're looking at whether 10 years on from referendum, could Brexit ever be reversed?

Would there ever be the political will, the public backing or the practical ability for Britain to once again be part of the EU? And would stirring up what seemed to be finally settled blow apart politics irreparably? Later in the episode, we'll hear from Professor Annen-Mennon, director of the think tank, UK and a changing Europe, along with the former Conservative Minister, Steve Baker, about how serious the idea of rejoining actually is. But first of all, I spoke to the MP Stella Creasy,

chair of her party's affiliate group, the Labour Movement for Europe, about how the party should

approach the UK's future relationship with the EU. So, Stella, then, I suppose, you know,

seeming out of nowhere, the question of not just deepening relations

with the EU, but rejoining altogether is now seemingly back on the agenda. I wonder what

you've made of it this week. So as the chair of the low movement for Europe, of course,

I'm pleased that people are talking about Europe because I frankly think that Europe and the

role of immigration in our economy are the two kind of live wires of

British politics that for too long we've not actually properly debated. And I welcome the fact

that people have stopped saying make Brexit work because you can't make Brexit work.

The situation we're in now, I would describe to being a bit like Goldilocks, where you've

got to find the right mix because the thing that's missing from British politics too often we talk about Europe is we sort of act like, it's up to us what the future of our relationship with Europe is like alone, and the hard thing is us working out what we want. And then we're just going to go and present to the Europeans, well, this is how it's going to be. And they'll say, oh, great, brilliant.

And the Goldilocks metaphor is that, you know, it could be too hot, it could be too cold, or it could

be just right. But it's got to work for them as well. So my big concern at the moment is to make

sure that we don't in finally get into grips with this debate, say or do things that actually

make it harder

to do a deal with our European counterparts because that's how we ended up in the mess that was

Brexit in the first place. We didn't just leave. We left on the hardest of terms because we didn't

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