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About a month ago, before we were all socially distancing ourselves, before New York and

California and Illinois, we're all on lockdown, Harvard University hosted this panel.

They called it going viral.

Looking at video of this event now, it's sort of weird to see people jammed together shoulder to shoulder.

Okay, I think we're going to begin. I think everybody's settled here, and there's now some people moving into the overflow room over in the belfer room as well.

Remember overflow rooms?

It feels like it's worlds ago where everyone's all together sitting at a table talking about

pandemics. But all the things you guys were talking about back then are now very, very relevant right now.

Yeah, it's very strange.

David Jones was one of the people speaking at this event, though in truth, he didn't really want to be there.

I would periodically get calls from reporters in February, and I'd say, look, you know, I haven't

really engaged with this. You need to talk to people in public health who actually have the inside knowledge.

I don't think I have anything to say yet.

And so when I was asked to participate in that panel,

I would have said no,

except the person who asked me was one of my old mentors,

and so I couldn't say no.

And then very quickly thereafter,

things have totally spiraled, not out of control,

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