Do Your Own Research: AI Is Not A Bubble. The Reality Is Far Worse w/ Garrison Lovely
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🗓️ 30 May 2026
⏱️ 101 minutes
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Summary
AI progress isn’t slowing down. The bubble doesn’t seem to be popping. And who in power actually cares about the environmental impacts anyway?
All that is to say: AI is here to stay. And what will be its fruits? Greater control of workers or even their brutal repression, some say.
So, is there a positive future for AI at all?
Garrison Lovely is the author of Obsolete: The AI Industry’s Trillion-Dollar Race to Replace You—and How to Stop It. And surprisingly, his answer is “yes”. He told Richard Hames about the dangers of AI, and how to get off the path to dystopia.
Do Your Own Research is a new show from Novara Media about the systems that make the modern world possible.
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| 0:00.0 | I have sometimes been accused of drinking the AI Kool-Aid. |
| 0:12.0 | And maybe that's right. |
| 0:13.0 | Certainly you can judge for yourself and feel free to tell me in the comments below. |
| 0:18.0 | But there's this distinction that my guest this week makes that I found it incredibly |
| 0:22.1 | useful, so I want to tell you about it as well. The idea is there are basically three schools |
| 0:27.6 | of thought around AI. First up, we've got the boosters, people who want AI to go as fast as |
| 0:35.0 | possible because think it'll be good, or for some intrinsic love of |
| 0:40.4 | speed. Then, on the other hand, you've got the critics. People who think that AI is running on |
| 0:45.7 | hot air, that it will shortly hit a wall for technical reasons, or because of the economics |
| 0:52.0 | not working out, or that sometimes even that talking about artificial |
| 0:56.0 | intelligence is to already have sort of fallen into a kind of marketing hype. But there's also a |
| 1:01.4 | third group, one that Garrison Lovely, my guest this week, calls the Warriors. And I am in that |
| 1:08.3 | group. I look at the graphs of how powerful these models are getting, and I don't |
| 1:12.6 | see us hitting a wall. I don't see the money running out, or even progress slowing down. So I'm not a |
| 1:18.6 | critic in this sense. But I'm not a booster either. I'm not happy about what I think automation will |
| 1:24.3 | almost certainly bring, which is the almost total disempowerment of the |
| 1:29.1 | global working class. And I've had this anxiety for years, but it's always remained slightly |
| 1:35.5 | nebulous until I read the book that we are discussing this week. Garrison Lovely is the author |
| 1:40.8 | of Obsolete, the AI industry's trillion dollar race to replace you and how to |
| 1:46.8 | stop it. The book goes systematically through the arguments of the boosters and the critics |
| 1:51.1 | alike. The book goes systematically through the arguments of the boosters and the critics |
| 1:56.0 | alike and argues that AI will be transformative, that that transformation will be largely quite bad, |
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