Need something new to listen to? Check out the Real Tall Tales podcast. When he was just 14 years old,

David Lee Windacher dropped out of high school and joined a gang with the street name Red.

After about 15 minutes beat down, I got in. I remember he said,

all right, baby boy, you're good, you're in. And from that point, I was 14 years old at that

point. I was consumed by it. At 16, he started his own gang. He's been arrested 13 times and has

spent over seven months incarcerated as a juvenile. Now, he's a lawyer fighting for those who don't

have the resources to pay for justice. From his first arrest, the cops came out and hate

cuffed me. I'm 11 years old. To drug deals, bribing corrupt cops and witnessing his first murder.

So you could smell the popcorn blended with the gun come and had to jump over this body to get

out of the movie theater. David Lee Windacher takes us inside the world of what drives a 14-year-old

to join a gang. These kids beat the **** out of me. Wow. Left me there for dead. How he turned his

life around and how he now helps people escape the world he was once consumed by. Listen and

subscribe to real tall tales for free on Apple podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to your

favorite podcasts. Listen, it's the bird show. All right, I would like to test. I would like to

debate here. Um, a cliche that I've heard a lot over the years about marriage and love and just

get your guys take on it. I don't really have an opinion, but it did make me think. So I overheard

somebody giving somebody else advice at a restaurant a couple of weeks ago. And the advice was

marriage will only work if you love your partner more than you love yourself.

I see. I've never heard that. You've never heard that before. I mean, never. I've never heard that.

Okay. I have heard that before. I've heard that a time of two before. Yeah.

That you have to let like true love, like a marriage will be successful.

If you are sort of, I guess the selfless and you have to love the other person

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