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Hello, welcome to Unbelievable, the show where we get Christians and non-Christians talking. I'm your host, Andy Klein. Today we are in a school in Ayl Free and we're talking about the soul and spiritual experiences.

My guests today are on my right, Harry Amos, who is a non-Christian, a humanist and a very sound thinker. And to my left, we have Dr. Claire Gilbert.

Let's get some information, more information about them.

So Harry, give us your backstory.

How did you end up here?

Sure, thanks, Andy.

So I guess starting with school,

I went to just like Your Good selves, a Church of England school.

That was primary, however, and I'm obviously aware of your secondary.

Secondary school-wise, I went to a secular grammar school, and it was in secular school, funnily enough, that I actually became a Christian.

And I did so through the influence of my brother, who came back from an evangelical

summer camp. He's seven years older than me, so he was around 18. I was about 11. And it was the

change in him. I'd always loved him. He was always great, but he started to care about issues like climate change, poverty.

And I started to wonder, well, is that what Christianity the good news is about?

And I respected that. So I investigated. I started going to an evangelical Church of England church.

And then I, as people would say, gave my life to the Lord Jesus and wind forward to, and I led Christian Union.

I was very, very committed for a long period of time. I went to university.

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