Hey, it's Andrew Clayton with this week's interview. I'm really looking forward to this.

One of the most interesting conversations I ever had was with a woman who died. She was

a young, very attractive woman, worked at a school that my son went to. She was also

very far left teacher. I was always, she was always making me grumble about the sort of

thing she was bringing to school, but she was an atheist. And young as she was, she had

a hard attack and she died. And she came back. They brought her back to life. And I met

her quite soon after that at a party. And of course, said to her, oh, I heard you were

ill and I'm so sorry. And she was quite willing to talk about it. And I said, well, I have

to ask you, did you see anything when you were dead? And she said, oh, yes. Oh, yes, I

had an after a near death experience. And I said, well, what was it like? And she described

kind of what you would think of, but it was very convincing. She was certainly a very

down to earth person. Like I said, a total atheist, complete materialist, an electus. And

she said she felt herself rise up out of her body. She could see the doctors standing

over her. She could hear what they were talking about. She felt herself moving in a direction

away from her body. And then she was basically informed that no, she, this was not her time.

And she went back into her body. So I said to her, you know, we're making, this is really

at a cocktail party. We're making conversation. And I said to her, so has that changed the

way you think about whether there's a God or not? No. I just, I had to laugh. I thought,

well, that's pretty, that's pretty interesting. That would, that would put it, you know, certainly

put a big question mark on my, you know, one of those super mario question marks on my little

box, because I think that that is an amazing thing to have seen and to come back and have

any, have, have no effect on you. And so I've been really interested in this subject ever

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