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no bull and the aftermath.

For the last 20 plus years we've been talking in various international fora, the UN and

other places about norms that we would want to see in cyberspace.

But we have not been willing to enforce those norms and hold nations accountable when

the cross those red lines and that's what it's all about in my view.

It's really making it very clear what we find acceptable and not acceptable and hammering

people hard whether it's Russia or China when the cross those red lines in my view.

SolarWinds does not merit that strong response because they did not cross the red line.

They executed the operation that the US intelligence community would love to execute against the

Russians or the Chinese.

I'm Benjamin Wittes and this is the LawFair podcast March 16th, 2021.

Dimitri Alparavitch is the executive chairman of Silverado Policy Accelerator and he's

the co-founder and former chief technology officer at CrowdStrike.

With Ian Ward, he is the author of the recent article on LawFair entitled How Should The

US Respond to the SolarWinds and Microsoft Exchange Hacks.

He joined me in the virtual jungle studio for a discussion of the article and the hacks

how were they similar to one another and how were they different.

Why is it that the SolarWinds Hacks has received so much more attention than the much more

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