Okay, here we got. Stand by. Three, two, one.

The thinking atheist, it's not a person. It's a symbol. An idea.

The population of atheists in this country is going through the room.

Rejecting faith. Pursuing knowledge. Challenging the sacred.

If I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth.

Not because I put my hand on a book and made a wish.

And working together for a more rational world.

Take the risk of thinking for yourself.

Much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.

Assume nothing.

Question everything. And start nothing. Question everything.

And start thinking.

This is the Thinking Atheist podcast, hosted by Seth Andrews.

Jenna Selby has divorced religion.

What does that even mean?

How do you divorce religion?

What are the implications of that kind of separation?

Well, I'm going to talk to Janice here today.

She is a registered professional counselor and coach,

and she works with people recovering from religious trauma syndrome. She's got a new book out called Divorcing Religion, a memoir and Survival Handbook. Janice Selby, hi. Thanks for coming.

It's so nice to see you again, Seth. Thanks for having

the out. So you're up in Canada. You're looking down at us wondering, I mean, I'm just about to ask

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