Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery. This is Anne. I have Julian Kusik on today's episode.

I interviewed her last week, so if you did not hear that interview, please go to last week and listen to that first.

You can hear her bio there.

She is incredible and very compassionate.

And during this interview, the tables accidentally got turned, which was very delightful and I really appreciated it actually.

She was really caring and compassionate and started asking me questions so she became sort of the interviewer and I was the interviewee and it made for a fun episode. But before we get to that, so many women are in so much pain from their husband's lies, emotional abuse, psychological abuse, the sexual

coercion involved with their husband's porn use and crossing sexual

boundaries when they find out they're devastated. If this has happened to you, which I'm guessing it has or you wouldn't be listening to this podcast,

if you didn't know already, we have a daily support group where you can talk to one of our professional coaches.

Our professional coaches are the best. They are amazing. They immediately

understand what's going on, they immediately understand the abuse and they can help you.

You can get into one of our Betrayal Trauma Recovery Group sessions, most likely within four to six hours.

So check out our website, you can see when the next session starts and you can talk with one of our coaches and

talk with women in this situation face-to-face online from a computer, from your

smartphone, in your car, wherever you are, you also don't have to get child care.

Go to BTR.org click on online support group which is under the services

tab to learn more. Okay now for my continued interview with Julian.

What are some of the steps that you're taking and have taken that have helped you

just regain your own sense of balance and to heal from this? Hey, the interview... just about you're. Yeah, if our listeners don't mind then I'll just talk about myself for a little while which I always do. They're like yeah you're always talking about yourself. So when I first started writing on my book I wrote literally every single abuse episode that I could think of every

instance of gas lighting every instance of emotional abuse or

psychological abuse every single instance it was like a hundred pages it was crazy it was

huge. So it's been in editing for a long time and other editors just working on it.

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