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Rock Bottom With Ned Fulmer

Divorce Rock Bottom: Her Mom Had a Stroke & Marriage Ended | Gabriella Pomare

Rock Bottom With Ned Fulmer

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3.62.4K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2026

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Australian family lawyer and author Gabriella Pomare joins Ned for an essential conversation about rebuilding family life after separation. Five years ago, Gabriella experienced her own devastating rock bottom: navigating a messy separation with a one-year-old son while simultaneously watching her mother suffer a catastrophic stroke that left her paralyzed and without memory. Despite being a seasoned family law practitioner, she discovered that professional expertise doesn't insulate you from the raw grief, anger, and confusion of divorce. That double trauma became the catalyst for a profound realization: separation doesn't create broken families. It creates opportunities to rewrite the family story with intention, maturity, and collaboration. Her new book The Collaborative Co-Parent offers a practical roadmap for parents navigating the impossible terrain between ending a marriage and raising healthy, emotionally secure children together. Gabriella introduces her four pillars of co-parenting communication: listen, pause, reflect, and respond. This framework helps parents regulate their own triggered emotions, filter every decision through the question "would my child be proud of this message?", and slowly transform high-conflict interactions into functional partnerships. She emphasizes that collaboration doesn't require being best friends or taking family vacations together. For some, collaboration means simply being able to exchange text messages without explosive conflict. For others, it's attending school concerts side by side or sharing holiday dinners. The definition varies by family, but the core principle remains constant: put the child's wellbeing at the center of every decision. The conversation tackles the hardest moments in co-parenting: driveway handoffs where tension is palpable, introducing new romantic partners, navigating holidays, managing the impulse to make children into confidants, and the ongoing grief that resurfaces unpredictably even years after separation. Gabriella shares her own rock bottom moment as a co-parent: a Christmas Day five years ago when she let anger about her ex's new relationship prevent their son from spending time with his father. That moment of recognizing her own failure became the springboard for everything that followed. She breaks down why the family law system often fails families, how courts can't address the emotional trauma of separation, the myth of parental rights (children have rights to relationships with parents, not the other way around), and why slowing down prevents years of expensive litigation. As both a practitioner who sees the worst-case scenarios daily and a parent who has lived through the confusion herself, Gabriella offers a rare dual perspective. This episode also explores the concept of accountability as the essential ingredient for moving forward. Both parents must take responsibility for their role in the relationship's end and the hurt caused, not to assign blame, but to get on the same page about the past so they can build something new. Gabriella emphasizes that separation isn't failure. It's an opportunity to reclaim power, rediscover individual identity, and create a life aligned with your actual values rather than performing an increasingly hollow version of partnership. For anyone navigating separation, struggling with co-parenting communication, introducing new partners into blended families, or simply trying to understand how to protect children from adult conflict, this conversation offers compassionate, practical guidance. Gabriella's book and her free communication resources are available at thecollaborativecoparent.com, and you can follow her on Instagram at @thegabriellapomare.

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0:00.0

So about five years ago, I went through my own separation. It was a bit of a messy one at the start.

0:05.8

We certainly weren't best friends. We probably wanted to kill each other back then and we would

0:10.2

definitely work collaborative. Just because you're divorced, just because you've separated,

0:15.0

that doesn't mean your family is broken down. You're not different. I hate that concept of the

0:20.1

broken family, the broken home. That

0:22.3

doesn't exist. Something woke up inside of me and said, you've got to start doing this a bit

0:27.2

different.

0:29.9

Hello and welcome back to the Rock Bottom podcast. I'm Ned Fulmer. My guest today is Gabriella Pamari.

0:38.6

She is a partner at the Norton Law Group Practices Family Law in Sydney, Australia.

0:45.3

And she has a new book called The Collaborative Co-Parent,

0:49.4

where she talks about the ways that couples who are splitting up can still co-parent and work in a really

0:57.4

collaborative, positive way, despite having challenges and their marriage ending for the

1:04.4

benefit of the children.

1:05.9

And she has a gripping personal story as well.

1:10.2

Gabriela, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I'm very excited with this chat. Yes, me too. So you are calling from all the way from Australia. What time is it over there? I am. For me, it's easy. 10 a.m. the sun is shining. It's a summer's day. It's pretty brilliant. 10 a.m. That is lovely. It's 3 p.m. for me.

1:29.5

It must, but it's 10 a.m. like tomorrow?

1:31.9

Tomorrow. Yeah, we're in the future. We've seen what's happening.

1:35.4

We're talking to you in the future. Well, let's get right into it.

1:40.9

Gabriela, how did you come to start this work as an author? And what was your own personal

1:50.5

rock bottom? Absolutely. Look, it's a hard one because I've worked in family law for so long.

1:56.4

So I've been a family lawyer for 10, 11 years. And you'd think that someone who's practiced in family

2:01.8

law for so long would know what they were doing, but absolutely not.

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