Divided Realities
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4.5 • 6K Ratings
🗓️ 21 December 2019
⏱️ 66 minutes
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Summary
Dahlia Lithwick is joined by three women using their legal experience to advocate for people trying to navigate the ever-changing, labyrinthine process of claiming asylum in the United States. It’s tough work, and they are volunteering in the face of mounting obstacles. Liz Willis and Dennise Moreno are from ASAP , and Kristin Clarens is with Project Adelante. Next, Dahlia talks to Susan Hennessy of Lawfare to understand the intertwined significance of impeachment, the Mueller Report, and the Department of Justice inspector general’s report.
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| 0:00.0 | It's in kind of the post-truth era that we're in. |
| 0:09.9 | One of the interesting questions right now is, has the president been impeached yet? |
| 0:16.6 | How can we do this work better? |
| 0:19.0 | I mean, we're not trained at this. |
| 0:20.2 | Who is trained at this? We're not, who is trained at this? |
| 0:23.1 | I don't think anyone is. |
| 0:28.1 | Hi, and welcome back to Amicus. |
| 0:32.7 | This is Slate's podcast about the law and the courts and the rule of law and the Supreme Court and also justice. |
| 0:39.2 | And this week, impeachment. |
| 0:42.0 | It is in fact the case that this past week, the House of Representatives, impeached President Donald J. Trump. |
| 0:48.1 | It is the third impeachment in U.S. history. |
| 0:51.2 | And if you stuck around to listen to the debates, it largely just proved the many ways in which most of this country now shares a landmass, but not reality. |
| 1:01.5 | We're going to talk about that impeachment later in the show with Susan Hennessey. She's executive editor of lawfare. |
| 1:08.3 | And we want to ask her, her thoughts on impeachment, the deep state, |
| 1:11.9 | the Mueller report, and going forward what we should wish for for Christmas. But before we do that, |
| 1:17.8 | we wanted to check in on a story that barrels alongside but never quite intersects with the events |
| 1:24.5 | that happened this week in the Capitol., immigration, asylum, family separations, |
| 1:28.9 | and a set of policies that have no formal connection at all to impeachment, even as they |
| 1:34.2 | impact tens and thousands of people at the borders. |
| 1:37.3 | On this show, we've covered family separation lawsuits. |
| 1:40.4 | We've talked about the DACA challenge and, of course, the ins and outs of the travel ban. But beyond these formal laws and shifting policies at the borders, real people actually experience real suffering every day. And I guess we wanted to mark this holiday season by reminding you and perhaps ourselves of the faces and the voices of the people who don't have fancy reserved seats at the Supreme Court, people who may wait months, if not years, for court dates that either never come or offer them no relief. |
| 2:10.7 | And I think we wanted also to usher in the holiday season with the hope that comes when extraordinary people, in this case a bunch of lawyers, |
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