This is the Libertarian Podcasts from the Hoover Institution.

I'm your host Tom Church and I'm joined as always by the Libertarian Professor Richard Epstein.

Richard is the Peter and Kirsten Bedford senior fellow here at the Hoover Institution.

He's the Lawrence A Tish Professor of Law at NYU, and he's also a senior lecturer at the University of Chicago.

This week, we're talking the forced sale of Tik-Toc and what it might mean for free speech and

cat videos, dance videos on the internet.

Richard, let's start with this.

Have you ever watched a Tik-Tok video?

Absolutely not.

I'm the wrong generation.

I have enough trouble using any other kind of device

other than state old email.

I'm very good at the telephone, pretty good at email,

but beyond that, my powers lapse.

No no come on about Instagram you too never never never I use YouTube

mainly to listen to classical music okay there we go all right well let's talk

about the actual bill that passed the house. It's called, well, people on the internet and everyone else is calling it the Tik-Tok ban bill or banning Tik-Tok. it's called the Protecting Americans from Foreign

Adversary Controlled Applications Act. Really rolls off the tongue.

Yesterday the House of Representatives voted 352 to 65 to pass the bill.

There were I think more Democrats than Republicans who voted no.

And now it heads over to the Senate and an uncertain future.

I'm hoping you can take us through the question that is really being thought about right now

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