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DISTURBING New Details Just Revealed in Court by Tanner's Own Experts | Athena Strand Trial Recap

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Hidden True Crime

Documentary, News, True Crime, News Commentary, Society & Culture

4.62.5K Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2026

⏱️ 194 minutes

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Summary

It's week 4 of the Tanner Horner trial and Lauren Matthias is here with all of the updates. The defense has now spent weeks trying to explain Tanner Horner—his autism, trauma, mental health, and the life that shaped him—but their own expert made something clear: he knew right from wrong, and the crime itself was horrific. In this episode, we break down the second week of defense testimony in the murder of 7-year-old Athena Strand, from teachers and pastors to ex-girlfriends and forensic psychiatrists, all painting a picture of a man who internalized pain… yet committed an unthinkable act. So the jury is left with the question at the center of this trial—how do these two versions of a person exist at the same time… and does any of it change what justice should look like? Sponsor: Jones Road Beauty: Use code HIDDEN 👉 https://jonesroadbeauty.com to get a free Shimmer Face Oil with your first purchase! #JonesRoadBeauty About Hidden True Crime What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

The defense has officially gone longer than the prosecution.

0:04.0

It's the second week the defense called witnesses actually in the Tanner Horner trial,

0:08.0

the man who was pleaded guilty to abducting and murdering seven-year-old Athena Strand.

0:14.0

And this week we heard from his pastor, his special education teacher, his high school girlfriend and a psychiatrist.

0:22.6

The defense spent days trying to explain Tanner Horner.

0:27.3

His brain, his autism, trauma came up.

0:31.0

But most interesting to me, a defense expert pretty much admits Tanner Horner absolutely knew right from wrong.

0:40.2

Autism does not explain the crime and the crime was horrific and Tanner showed zero empathy in the

0:50.5

moment. A defense witness admits this. While at the same time, the defense is asking the

0:56.0

jury for mercy for Tanner Horner, asking for mercy when Tanner showed no mercy to a seven-year-old

1:03.4

girl in his delivery truck. So this week, it wasn't about what happened. The jury already knows

1:09.9

exactly what happened. This week was about

1:13.7

who Tanner Horner is. Witnesses explain him as someone who gets overwhelmed, someone who shuts

1:19.3

down instead of lashing out. So the jury has to ask, how do these two versions of this person

1:25.0

exist at the same time? And with more finality, they actually will

1:30.5

have to ask whether Tanner Horner should live or die. And Monday is where the defense

1:36.1

starts building that picture with a teacher who described Tanner as a pleasant young man.

1:50.2

Thank you. pleasant young man. It was week four of the trial, and it began with Marie, his special education teacher,

1:55.8

who later became the department head.

1:58.9

Marie explained that she worked in what the school called content mastery,

2:03.2

essentially a learning lab where students could come for extra help.

2:06.3

And she described it as a place where lessons were a little bit slower,

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