Hi everybody, this is Scott Saad.

Rarely do I have more than one guest at a time. This is one of those occasions. Today I've got, let me just make sure I read your names, David Shedd and Andrew Badger. I'll introduce you in a second. Thank you for coming on, gentlemen. Thank you for having us. Great to be with you. We're going to be talking about this little beauty that came out last week,

the great heist co-authored by both of you, China's infiltration to steal all good things from the

United States. We'll talk about that. But let me just mention who you are. David is the former

deputy director and acting director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. That's only going to increase my street cred as the unofficial head of the Mossad, by the way.

You also served as Chief of Staff for the Director of the National Intelligence and National Security Council Senior Director and Special Assistant to the President for Intelligence

under George W. Bush and Andrew Badger spent two decades serving as a DIA case officer.

And then you went to McKinsey and Company, which oftentimes my MBA students, that's their

favorite place to end up.

So that I miss anything in terms of your

bios that you want to add before we delve into this beauty? Not at all. Sounds great. All right,

so let's start with just give us the big 30,000 foot synopsis of the book, the great heist.

So why don't I kick it off and then pass it over to Andrew?

The arc that we present throughout the pages of this book is that China has been on a pathway

of accelerating their stealing of American intellectual property, know-how, data, and

everything associated with enabling China to do a modern version of the Great Leap Forward.

And this is in large response to something put in place strategically by Deng Xiaoping in

1986 in a seminal speech in which he really laid out how China could coexist between

a single party, that being the Chinese Communist Party rule, we would call it

authoritarian rule, and at the same time with controlled capitalism. And so that was essentially

the design under which now we have Xi Jinping since 2012 and the launch and we really delve into this.

And Andrew, you can elaborate on this. The kickoff of Made in China 2025 in 2015, a 10-year

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