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I'm Ellie Anderson.

And I'm David Peña Guzman.

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David, discipline gets a pretty bad rep these days.

At least this has been the case, I would say, for a number of years, where there's

been a lot of attention paid to the toxic elements of hustle culture, the grind,

capitalist productivity, and so on.

These have been a lot of the things we've talked about on Overthink over the years.

And I think with this increasing attention to like those toxic elements of the hustle and the

grind, there has also been an implication of discipline as one of the culprits, this idea of

discipline as basically policing people's behavior and forcing us into this capitalist

mold. And in contrast, there's been a lot of attention recently to rest as an alternative

to this hustle culture, letting go of self-judgment and just like taking a nap or bed rotting

as something we're entitled to. From that perspective, right, discipline seems like

one of the bad guys. I'm thinking, too, about parenting. Parenting has become far more

permissive than in the past. We'll come back to that later. People are quiet quitting their jobs.

Stereotypes of Gen Z in the workplace also suggest that young adults today can't handle

any discipline whatsoever. So like the boomer bosses are like, these Gen Z employees won't

even be held accountable in showing up. They're just like ghosting their jobs or showing up late,

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