Well there's a proverb that says discipline your son and he will give you

rest he will give delight to your heart and that might seem counterintuitive but I've learned not to argue with the truth of the scripture.

While discipline is really important, though, it's got to be balanced with a healthy dose of love.

I'm John Fuller, along with our vice president of parenting Dr. Danny

Werta. We're coming back to a conversation now with Dr. Kevin Lehman. He

spoke with Jim and Jean Daly and together they offered perspectives on what healthy

discipline looks like. In the book you describe discipline 101 and in there you

you said discipline goes hand in hand with misbehavior.

So what's the difference between discipline and punishment?

Well, see, and this is sort of framed in our society today because if you just come across as I'm punishing you

Let me tell you how a kid thinks today they don't think of us on a different plane they see themselves as social equals.

So in their head, okay, if you're right to punish me,

I have a right to punish you back.

And discipline, I think, I think takes on a little different color that we acknowledge

that mistakes were made.

We turn things into teachable moments.

I love to tell a story about our high school invited me to be on their wall of fame and I jumped at

the opportunity to do it because I was such a little cut up in high school but on the way up I was talking to my mother who was 90 years old at time and I said mom we fool a few people

You know honey. I'm so proud of you and I reminded her about time the police brought me home. I'll never

forget what she said she said oh I do remember that but you were such a good boy. So

somehow we still have to come across with the fact that, you know, we love you anyway and we accept you flaws in awe.

So discipline is, hey, you take the kid behind the closed door,

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