Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of Theology in the Raw. I have the opportunity to talk to my good friend Dr. Gary Bershears. He is an amazing individual. Many of you know and love Gary. He has a PhD from Fuller at Theological Seminary. He's a professor of theology at Western Seminary in Oregon. And a pastor of pastor is an elder at Grace Community Church in Gresham, Oregon, and a happy

great-grandfather. This dude has been around discipling people like crazy. So I wanted to have

Gary on to talk about discipleship. But man, this guy, he's just a, first of all, he's one of the

funnest and most engaging people to talk to, but he also has a wealth of information.

And so, as you'll see, I chase a lot of shiny objects here because Gary just will say all kinds of things and knows so many things and can say some provocative things.

And we went in various directions, but it's all under the large umbrella of,

what does it take to be a good discipler of other people? We also get into a bit about his

role in the whole Mars Hill, Mark Driscoll, explosion, breakup, whatever, you know, over a decade ago.

And he shares some interesting thoughts there.

So we also include a discussion about women in ministry and leadership.

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the one and only, Dr. Gary Bershears.

Okay. I don't like Dr. Brashchers. He's not a nice guy.

How long have you been teaching at the college or seminary level? Has it been? I started at Biola in January of 1979, teaching man sin salvation. I am in my

46th year of teaching in accredited Christian education. Golly. So just a couple years of the

undergrad or a few years, but mostly at the seminary level, right?

Yeah, a year and a half at Biola. I was headed back to the Philippines to be a church planning Bible college missionary.

I still think that I've been a great plan. God interrupted my life again and drug me up to Western conservative Baptist seminary, as I tell. I said, no way in hell

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