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Overthink

Disagreement

Overthink

Ellie Anderson, Ph.D. and David Peña-Guzmán, Ph.D.

Philosophy, Society & Culture, Education

4.7549 Ratings

🗓️ 31 December 2024

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

From the holiday dinner table to the Twitter fandom wars, disagreements are inescapable. In episode 120 of Overthink, Ellie and David talk through different types of disagreement (e.g. disagreements online vs philosophical disagreements) and consider why we have such a tough time dealing with those who don’t see things as we do. Is the format of social media platforms to blame for the bad faith disagreements that occur on them? What role do confidence and conviction play in disagreement? Can we have a world without disagreement, or is disagreement an inevitable feature of our social lives? And how can we navigate the “shitstorm” when others refuse to agree with us? Prepare to turn on disagreement mode as you listen to two doctors of disagreement reason their way through it all. Plus, in the bonus, they discuss ways of overcoming disagreement, the failure of our education system, and the importance of community in online disagreement. 

Check out the episode's extended cut here!

Works Discussed:
Byung-Chul Han, In the Swarm
Catherine Elgin, “Persistent Disagreement”
Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism
Kathleen Kennedy, “When Disagreement Gets Ugly, Perceptions of Bias and the Escalation of Conflict”
Thomas Kuhn, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions
Alex J. Novikoff, The Medieval Culture of Disputation
Brian Ribeiro, “Philosophy and Disagreement”
Ludwig Wittgenstein, On Certainty

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Overthink.

0:16.2

The podcast were two experts on disagreeing, that is philosophers, tell you what we and others think about big and important topics.

0:25.1

I'm Ellie Anderson.

0:26.8

And I'm David Peña Guzman.

0:28.8

Ellie, one of our listeners' favorite things is when you and I disagree.

0:33.9

They find our disagreements really productive, and we often get comments asking for more of that.

0:42.9

Absolutely.

0:43.6

And it's so funny because we have found over the four years of doing this podcast that we actually find it pretty hard to disagree on the topics that we choose.

0:53.0

Like we agree on a lot of things, which I guess is

0:56.0

unsurprising because we're longtime friends. We went through the same philosophical training.

1:00.7

I think a lot of our commitments and values are similar. A lot of what we believe to be true

1:05.7

is similar. So we're often looking for things we disagree about when we're thinking about our

1:10.2

episode topics and trying to find ways that we diverge on particular ideas.

1:16.3

Yeah, especially on substantive issues, which did happen when our difference became obvious over regret, like the ethics of regret.

1:24.6

And also our debate, our infamous debate over cancel culture.

1:29.5

I think it's only infamous for us, but I do think like the biggest disagreement that's come

1:35.6

up between us, which is related to our old cancel culture episode, at least the biggest

1:41.6

disagreement between us, philosophically speaking, is whether you can

1:44.7

separate the art from the artist. And we were recently asked to host an online event on philosophical

1:50.2

disagreement. And I had the, might I say, brilliant idea to actually stage a debate between us and then

1:57.7

have us pick it apart together in front of the audience afterward to see what moves we had made in the debate. Right. So to like have a debate and then have us pick it apart together in front of the audience afterward to see what moves we

2:02.5

had made in the debate, right? So to have a debate and then to reflect on the debate and kind of

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