Hello and welcome to the ThoughtWorks podcast.

I'm one of your regular hosts, Mike Mason, and I'm joined today by Gary O'Brien.

Gary, welcome to the podcast.

Thanks for being on.

Thanks for having me.

And I'm excited to have Gary on because he and I recently finished a book together with

O'Reilly.

It's called Digital Transformation Game Plan.

Gary is the primary energy behind this book, I would say, even though I'm generously

listed as a co-author.

And today what we thought we talked we talked about is digital transformation in general and some of the stuff in the book in particular.

So Gary, why don't we start with a little bit about yourself and what you're doing at ThoughtWorks?

And then maybe we can jump into Digital Transformation.

Yeah.

What am I doing at ThoughtWorks?

Well, been here for nine and a half years and have largely spent all of that time with senior

executive teams.

So I kind of think of what I do is preparing senior execs, both business and technology,

for adopting technology and using technology to execute their strategies strategies so i think that pretty much covers what

what to do okay um and so that's a you know pretty long career with thought works i've i've

known you for a while um so what about digital transformation then so we hear a lot about that term

um you know what why are we hearing a lot about it?

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