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Young Heretics

Dido and Aeneas need Couples Therapy

Young Heretics

Spencer Klavan

Society & Culture, Education

4.94.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 May 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

I'm not saying that the catastrophe in Carthage could have been avoided. I'm just saying, everyone--the two main characters especially--behaved very badly. Now the deed is done, the nymphs are ululating, the "wedding"(?) announcements are out, and the gods are on the move to put a stop to all this. Which means Aeneas has some hard conversations he has to have and he...punts. Not his proudest moment. But instructive for us and as always, beautiful, timeless poetry. Enjoy!

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Transcript

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0:00.0

So we're reading through book four of the Aeneid, which is about the love affair between Aeneas and Dido and its collapse under the weight of Aeneas destiny.

0:11.4

And the whole time I'm reading this, I'm just thinking like, man, this couple really needs couples therapy.

0:21.6

Thank you. This couple really needs couples therapy. I am not kidding about this.

0:29.6

So last time we talked all about female dysfunction.

0:33.6

We talked to all about the ways in which women, when things go awry, can tend to

0:40.6

have these particular patterns of miscommunicating intentionally, of talking around the problem,

0:46.6

of encouraging one another in bad ideas, in order to be nice to each other out of a misplaced kind of empathy or touchy feeling attitude.

0:58.1

And I said the whole time, don't worry, I'm going to talk plenty about male dysfunction too.

1:04.1

This is not just the hate on women show.

1:06.5

This is the breakdown between the sexes show.

1:09.8

And that's an incredibly major topic right now.

1:13.3

It's something that people are thinking about, talking about all the time.

1:17.1

And it's important that we talk about both at the same time, not just one after the other, but in conjunction.

1:23.8

Because when you hear about the war between the sexes and you hear about, I mean,

1:28.8

you don't even need at this point to cite any particular video or tweet or something. It's

1:33.9

everywhere. You can just always hear people talking about how men and women don't understand

1:37.8

each other. They don't like each other. The Barbie movie, right? Men hate women and women hate

1:43.2

women. That's the one thing we can all agree on, I think, was a famous line from that major blockbuster movie.

1:49.2

This is like this really fraught and increasingly emotional, agitated topic in the world.

1:57.5

And we talk a lot about, well, what's wrong with men?

2:00.4

Are men too lonely? Are men too lonely? Are men too

2:01.7

aggressive? Are men toxic? Are they being mistreated by society? And we talk a lot about what's

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