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Did Jesus really rise from the dead? The Resurrection Debate | Mike Licona vs Dale Allison hosted by John Nelson

Unbelievable?

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Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.72.4K Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2026

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

In this conversation, we’re exploring one of the central claims of Christianity: the resurrection of Jesus. Joining us are two of the world’s leading New Testament scholars who approach the evidence from different angles. Dale Allison, former Richard J. Dearborn Professor of New Testament at Princeton Theological Seminary, is widely respected for his historical work on Jesus and early Christian belief, and is known for his careful, often cautious assessment of what historians can and cannot conclude about the resurrection. Read Dale's book here Dr Michael Licona, Professor of Biblical Studies at Houston Christian University, is a leading defender of the historical case for Jesus’ bodily resurrection, arguing that the best explanation of the early eyewitness testimony and explosive growth of the Christian movement is that the resurrection really occurred. While both scholars agree on much of the historical data — including Jesus’ crucifixion and the early proclamation that he was raised — they differ on how confidently historians can infer a bodily resurrection, the role of supernatural explanations in historical reasoning, and how we should weigh experiences, visions, and empty-tomb traditions in reaching our conclusions. Read Mike's book, here Subscribe & Support 👉 Support thought-provoking conversations and help keep the show going at www.premierunbelievable.com/geolink/donate💡 🎧 Never miss an episode! Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast a  www.premier.plus/unbelievable 🎙️ 🔗 Get bonus content, updates, fascinating articles, and early access to new episodes - absolutely free! Join now at www.premierunbelievable.com 📢 Follow usInstagram: https://instagram.com/premierunbelievable Facebook: https://facebook.com/premierunbelievable Tik Tok: https://tiktok.com/@premier.unbelievable X: https://x.com/UnbelievableFE

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Unbelievable, the show where we discuss all things theology and philosophy.

0:07.8

I'm John Nelson and today on Unbelieveable, we're discussing what history can tell us about the resurrection.

0:13.9

Joining me to discuss the topic are two exceptional scholars of early Christianity.

0:19.0

Dale Allison is the Richard J. Dearborn Professor of New Testament

0:22.9

at Princeton Theological Seminary. He's the author of countless books and articles, including

0:28.4

The Resurrection of Jesus, Apologetics, polemics, history, a work that is widely regarded

0:34.0

as one of the most important books ever written on the resurrection.

0:39.0

And joining Dale on the show is Mike Lekona,

0:41.6

Professor of New Testament Studies at Houston Christian University,

0:45.1

and himself the author of an extremely valuable tone,

0:48.3

The Resurrection of Jesus, a new historiographical approach.

0:52.6

Gentlemen, I've enjoyed reading your works immensely, and I'm

0:56.7

really honored to have two such fine scholars on the show. Thank you for coming on Unbelievable.

1:01.2

Thanks for having us on. Delighted to be here.

1:05.6

I wanted to kick off our discussion by talking about methodology, because it may seem to many historians today that

1:12.8

a topic like the resurrection is kind of off limits. And Mike, you've spent a lot of time in the

1:18.7

philosophy of history. What is a kind of responsible historical approach to an event like

1:24.9

the resurrection of Jesus? That's a good question.

1:29.3

Because today I would say most historians and New Testament scholars who focus on historical matters

1:37.3

would say that historians are not permitted to investigate something that involves a miracle.

1:43.3

And they give a number of reasons why.

1:46.0

In my book, I talk about why I think that those reasons come up short.

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