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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots.

I'm James Heal and we're broadcasting today from Birmingham where it's day one for Conservative Party Conference.

I'm joined today by Katie Balls and Fraser Nelson.

Today's big topic of discussion is the 45p tax cut

and Prime Minister Liz Truss was out on the Laura Coonsburg show this morning to defend it to the viewers.

What I care about is about making our country successful, making our economy successful.

And I do think that there has been too much focus in politics about the optics

or how things look. Katie, what was your reaction to that?

So he was interesting watching that interview.

Liz Truss had a bit of a meerkuhl put in the sense that she said that with hindsight,

she had accepted, and I'm these aren't her exact words,

that her mini budget had not been a massive success, was basically her message.

And therefore it had had problems and she accepted this.

But the way that she put this was to say that ultimately what she had concluded

is there had to be more work laying the ground.

So she said she should have laid the ground better.

And as we just heard, you're saying in the future she'll be better at doing that.

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