Welcome to Nobody Told Me. I'm Jan Black. And I'm Laura Owens. Have you ever gotten angry at a friend? Have you ever felt betrayed by a friend?

Has competition played a role in any friendship that you've had?

If you answered yes to any of those questions, you'll want to hear what our next guest,

psychotherapist Diane Barth has to say.

Diane's latest book is called, I Know How You Feel,

the joy and heartbreak of friendship in women's lives.

And Diane has been with us before talking about friendship, and we only really scratched the

surface. So we wanted to hear more about some of the other issues related to friendships that

we didn't get into before. Diane, thanks so much for joining us again. Oh, it's my pleasure.

Thank you for having me.

What are some of the interesting things people have said to you as you've done interviews

and book signings in connection with your new book on friendship? Well, that's a really great question.

Actually, I've gotten a lot of people saying that, oh, I recognize myself in there, that they have continued

the theme that you all just mentioned, which is that we really don't learn growing up how to have some

of our more difficult feelings with our friends. So

people have talked about not knowing how to talk about being angry or deal with anger

in a friendship or deal with disappointment. I was talking to one woman who was saying that a friend, I'm sorry, in competition,

of course, is a major one.

So I was talking to one woman who was saying that a friend had gone behind her back

to compete for a job that she had been going for and that her friend knew was something that she really wanted.

So she sort of got a triple whammy.

She got hit by feeling betrayed by her friend, feeling really, really disappointed,

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