I'm John Batchew with Professor Richard Epstein, who's volunteered to speak to a matter that is not

resolved. A young man, a graduate student at Columbia University, we're told, with a student visa

and a green card, married to an American citizen living in the United States, is on his way to being deported,

according to the news, by the opinion of the Secretary of State, Mr. Rubio,

because the statute reads, if the Secretary of State finds this individual a threat to the

security of the United States and the Secretary's opinion, he will be asked to go

to a Paris cafe and spend the rest of his life enjoying Europe or wherever he comes from. In this

instance, however, it is a cause-seleb making headlines across the world because I believe the

claim by those who defend Mr. Khalil is that he was exercising freedom of speech when he supported the activists, the Palestinian demonstrators who disrupted Columbia University in the spring of 24.

Richard, we just have a few minutes here.

One says it's freedom of speech. The other says you do not have a few minutes here. One says it's freedom of speech.

The other says you don't not have a right to support activity that is illegal.

Where do we go?

Well, basically, you have to go to the earlier cases from the 1950s that tried to resolve this question.

And what it said was the line was it was abstract advocacy on the one hand. This was

something which was protected speech. So if you went to a class of ardent individuals and started

to talk about the justice of all Hamas's claims and everybody in the room argues to one way

another, that would count as protected speech. But if what you did in

effect was talk to a bunch of people and say, we have to attack Hamilton Call at Columbia College on

this state with these kinds of meaning, and that was always regarded as a form of insurrecting

as a crime of a very serious nature. And so one of the famous cases on this comes a case called Whitney Against the United States.

And it was about the situation in which we had syndicalists,

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