The following talk was given at the Insight Meditation Center in Redwood City, California.

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Okay.

It's good to practice with you.

Such a wild path.

It's sort of like, you know, it looks like a labradoodle from the flyers, but it's a tiger. And I love Labyrinthals.

So, Dharmadalen

So Dharma is in conversation with science,

I think in increasingly respectful way,

meaning that both sides are listening,

both sides are learning from each other.

And there are a lot of Dharma kind of scientific research people who

have a genuine affection for the path and understand it. And that's having its effects.

I remember, I think it was 2006. I was a summer research fellow for the Mind and Life, you know, conference and sort of scientific conference, but then also part retreat sitting on aafu. And next to me is kind of like the eminent researcher Richard Davidson.

He's like there sitting on a Zafu next to me.

He didn't send one of his 500 research assistants or something to do his sitting.

He's there.

And the science folks are kind of like taking Dharma concepts, exploring them, bringing a new

language and concepts and then sort of like importing it back to Dharma, you know,

and anyway, it's been meaningful for me to consume some of that work.

So this is kind of edited from a couple social psychologists, Rich Ryan and Kirk Warren Brown,

and shared this over the weekend, but wanted to unpack it. So the author is right. Some people

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