The following talk was given at the Insight Meditation Center in Redwood City, California.

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Okay, thank you. Thank you. Good to practice with you. So who this theme of interpersonal life,

Darma and interpersonal life,

and the question who, who am I, who am I, we don't often explicitly ask that question, but it's a question that has

a venerated spiritual history and every answer we might give feels

a least a little wrong, somehow inadequate or incomplete or in authentic.

and in our alienation we have an answer, you know, who am I?

And before the mind actually reaches for an answer,

it stops and it creates a certain kind of wonder and mystery.

And we come on this path to love becoming mysterious to ourselves.

That kind of moment when the familiar, all too familiar, autobiography just kind of peals open.

You know that feeling?

It's scary. It scares me a little bit, but the lights me and livens me too.

And sometimes I say that sincerity,

sincerity, spiritual sincerity is the willingness to be surprised.

But our tendency, of course, is to get to knowing,

to knowing about ourselves, about others.

And interpersonal practice, you know, this realm is about knowing, but it's also about not knowing.

It's about knowing.

It's about empathy, knowing the inner life of others, right?

Sometimes is described as theory of mind or in the psycho analytic literature, mentalization,

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