The following talk was given at the Insight Meditation Center in Redwood City, California.

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Okay, so, sometimes when a monastic gives a darmatoc.

The song says at the end,

you know, sadu, sadu,

sometimes that's rendered as as well said or it is well. But it

connotes that the words have been received that there's some some kind of

nourishment in the words, nourishment in the words.

And I, you know, love words,

when somebody said, you know,

it's like I was talking about all about silence,

and then somebody said, yeah, but you love words.

It's like, yeah, I do, I love words.

I try to be careful with words.

Try to use them in a way, my own,

you know, as best I can to create a kind of atmosphere of of darma where the sense of the darma is more palpable.

And I've always been kind of skeptical

about attempts to essentially

dify silence and demonize language, you know?

Like sometimes when people say, well, the path or this experience, it's ineffable, it's unspeakable.

Often have a sense of like, well, I get that, but actually we can say a lot about that experience.

We can say a lot about this aspect of the path or that aspect.

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