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Detecting Deception w/Steven Hassan, Ph.D.

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Religion & Spirituality

4.8566 Ratings

🗓️ 1 February 2023

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Steven Hassan, Ph.D. is a mental health professional and expert in undue influence tactics used by authoritarian leaders and destructive cults. His expertise includes harmful influence in cases of destructive religious and political cults, human trafficking, extremist and terrorist groups, one-on-one relationships, families, parental alienation, mini-cults, therapy and self-improvement groups, professional and institutional abuse, corporate and multi-level marketing programs, and harmful belief systems. He is the author of four books including Combating Cult Mind Control, Freedom of Mind, and The Cult of Trump. He is a translated author with books in 10 languages. His online video courses are Understanding Cults: The Basics and Understanding Cults: A Foundational Course for Clinicians. Dr. Hassan is the Founding Director of the Freedom of Mind Resource Center, which provides training, consulting, and support to individuals who are struggling to leave or recover from a cult and to families and organizations that are concerned about cult behaviors. He developed the BITE Model of Authoritarian Control to identify control tactics and the Influence Continuum Model to discern ethical from unethical influence. Dr. Hassan began helping people affected by undue influence after he was deprogrammed from the Moon cult in 1976 at age 22. His 45-plus years of experience give him a unique perspective on the damaging effects of undue influence and exploitation by destructive cults. He is a frequently requested speaker and media interviewee. Dr. Hassan holds a Master’s Degree in Counseling Psychology from Cambridge College and a Doctorate in Organizational Development and Change from Fielding Graduate University School of Leadership Studies. Longtime colleagues Steven and Rachel, compare notes on what they have learned from their respective careers as mental health professionals specializing in cult education and recovery. Steve explains how his academic modeling aims to help policymakers better understand undue influence in order to prevent and prosecute the criminal actions of cult leaders. Rachel relays her experiences working with survivors of high control groups and how they relate to the behavior models created by Steve as well as pioneers such as Robert Lifton, and Margaret Singer. Together Rachel and Dr. Hassan discuss the need for the mental health industry to have a more comprehensive and nuanced understanding of the vulnerabilities and needs of cult survivors. Before You Go: Rachel examines Steve's idea of developing "pods of trust" as a support system to protect against undue influence. She goes on to explain ways to ensure the trustworthiness of people in your circle. More info on Steve's courses including, Basics and Understanding Cults: A Foundational Course for Clinicians here: https://freedomofmind.com/understanding-cults-a-foundational-course-for-clinicians/ Find All of Steve's books including Combating Cult Mind Control and Freedom of Mind here: https://freedomofmind.com/books/ Find Steve's podcast The Influence Continuum here: https://freedomofmind.com/podcast-3/ You can purchase Rachel's webinar series LIVING IN FREEDOM here: rachelbernsteintherapy.com/webinar.html To help support the show monthly and get bonus episodes, shirts, and tote bags, please visit: www.patreon.com/indoctrination Prefer to support the IndoctriNation show with a one-time donation? Use this link: www.paypal.me/indoctrination Connect with us on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/_indoctrination Facebook: www.facebook.com/indoctrinationpodcast Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@indoctrinationpodcast Instagram: www.instagram.com/indoctrinationpodcast/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/rachelbernsteinlmft You can always help the show for free by leaving a rating on Spotify or a review on Apple/ iTunes. It really helps the visibility of the show! Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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0:00.0

Welcome to indoctrination, a weekly conversation series about protecting yourself from systems of control.

0:11.1

I'm your host, Rachel Bernstein.

0:13.5

I want to thank all of our listeners all over.

0:17.2

And especially this week, I want to do a shout out to our listeners in Sri Lanka, which is

0:24.1

very cool, I must say. So if you're listening to this from that part of the world, please be in touch

0:29.8

and let us know about your interest in the show. And I really look forward to hearing from you. You can be in touch by emailing

0:40.1

Indctrination Show at gmail.com. Also, if any of you are interested in ordering the webinars that I put together on my website,

0:59.8

Rachel Bernstein Therapy.com, for former cult members, for people who are in relationships with controllers,

1:05.8

for their families and friends who want to know how to address the issue, how to help, how to get

1:10.2

support for themselves, please go and order the webinars. And also, there is another document that you

1:18.5

might be interested in, a video about why did I stay, why people stay for longer than is

1:23.3

healthy in a lot of different situations. And also, if you're interested in the support group that I

1:29.0

have that is on Zoom every other Wednesday night from 6 to 730 L.A. time, I would love to be able to

1:36.6

have you if you feel like your situation fits for a support group for people who have been

1:42.1

manipulated in relationships, in businesses, in recovery,

1:47.0

biotherapist, a coach, a healer, multi-level marketing, whatever. Please be in contact.

1:58.4

Today on the show, I'm so happy to have my friend Stephen Hassan.

2:04.7

Stephen Hassan, PhD, is a mental health professional and expert in undue influence tactics

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used by authoritarian leaders and destructive cults.

2:14.2

His expertise includes harmful influence in cases of destructive, religious,

2:19.3

and political cults, human trafficking, extremist and terrorist groups, one-on-one relationships,

2:26.5

families, parental alienation, professional and institutional abuse, corporate and multi-level

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