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This is Design Matters with Debbie Milman from Design Observer.com.

For 11 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative types about what they do,

how they got to be who they are and what they're thinking about.

On this podcast, Debbie Milma talks with writer and illustrator Myra Kalman about how ordinary objects

inspire her art and about her collaborations with the likes of Mark Morris and Isaac Mizrahi.

If things are going well there's a lot of trust.

If you have to talk too much about something, I think that you're in a little bit of trouble.

Here's Debbie Millman.

Myra Kalman has authored and illustrated

some of the most remarkable books of our time,

including the principles of uncertainty and the pursuit of happiness.

Her work has appeared on countless covers of the New Yorker, in museums, and on the stage.

Today, I'm going to talk with Myra Kelman about her latest book,

Beloved Dog, and about the twists and turns of her remarkable life and career. Myra Kelman, welcome to Design Matters.

Hi Debbie, good to be here.

We haven't had a Design Matters interview now in 10 years.

That's amazing.

You were on a very minute ago.

Doesn't it? I want to congratulate you on winning the AIGA medal, so well deserved.

Thank you. And I want to start by talking a little bit about your upbringing.

Your parents left Russia to go to Palestine

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