Ted Audio Collective.

This is the 10th anniversary of Design Matters, and to mark the anniversary were

we playing some favorite shows from the archive.

This one, an interview with Bob Gill,

was recorded in December of 2013.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman from Design Observer.com.

On this program, Debbie Millman talks with legendary designer Bob Gill, about coming up in the profession in the 1950s, about

working with The Beatles, and about the problem with many designers today.

The vast majority of designers, their idea of a wonderful job is something that's beautiful.

They're just not that interested in expressing an opinion.

Here's Debbie Millman.

There are a lot of things to know about Bob Gill,

but here are a few random nuggets to get us started.

He was born in 1931. When he was a teenager, he played piano gigs in the Borsch belt.

He was one of the founding partners of pentagram. He prefers the word idea rather than concept.

He once went to London on a whim and stayed for 15 years. He's designed for The Beatles. He's made industrial films put on a Broadway

show and written children's books. Such were his talents, he was once asked to direct a hardcore porno movie, but he had to admit to the producer that he had never seen one.

That was probably because he was too busy writing books on graphic design, including the classic.

Forget all the rules you ever learned about graphic design, including the ones in this book.

To talk about his illustrious career, Bob is joining me at our studio in the School of

Visual Arts in New York City, where he also used to teach.

Bob Gill, welcome to Design Matters.

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