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Debbie Milman will be back soon with a new episode of Design Matters.

In the meantime, here's her interview with Amanda Palmer, which was recorded in March of 2016.

This is Design Matters with Debbie Milman from Design Observer.com.

For 11 years now, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative

types about what they do, how they got to be, who they are, and what they're thinking about.

On this podcast, Debbie Milman talks with Amanda Palmer about her wild and wandering path to the rock stage

and about how behind her artistic ambitions is the drive to feel real.

What I really wanted was to feel like I was doing something that contributed and

mattered that I was in a true conversation with the world and with other people.

Here's Debbie Melma.

Everyone knows that the business model for musicians isn't what it used to be.

In this internet age, you can't just make a recording and

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