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This archival episode of design matters

was recorded in April of 2016.

This is design matters with Debbie Millman from Design Observer.com.

For 11 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative types about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about.

On this podcast, Debbie Milman talks with Allison MacDell about how identifying herself as a lesbian when she

was young led her into a career as a cartoonist.

I became an outlaw at a young age and was very freed up to do whatever I wanted and I was not to I was writing this crazy

marginal comic strip for free it was not a great career path and bizarrely it has

worked out here's Debbie Millman.

For some artists, their work in their lives are so intertwined it's impossible to tease them apart.

Allison Bechtel is one such artist.

To talk about her work is to talk about her.

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