Hey fam, welcome to the free trial podcast. Of course, I am your loving host, Dylan Bowman, here today with Des Lyndon,

OMG, a two-time Olympian Boston Marathon Champion. She is here. My humble little trail running

podcast, what an honor. Of course, Des is a legit road racing icon, a first ballot Hall of

Famer, the U.S. Marathon record holder, the 50K

world record holder.

But maybe more importantly, Des is also now a famous podcaster, the ultimate career path,

if you ask me.

Her show is called Nobody Ask Us with her and her co-host fellow American distance running legend

Kara Goucher. It's been hugely successful. And again, it was an honor to have her here

on my show to talk all about her story. Some topics we discuss. Des's reputation for being

the workhorse and having a blue collar attitude. We talk about her transition from college to pro-running,

her early transition to the marathon compared to her colleagues and contemporaries. We talk about

living in Michigan as opposed to other training hotbeds. We talk about the realities of being

an Olympian and competing at the games. We talk about Des's exposure to

trail running, her experience at UTMB. We talk about the recent thematic discussion of aging

and retirement for pro athletes. We talk about her trip to Japan with some trail running royalty.

We talk about her new role as the chief running advisor at Brooks, her media projects,

including her book, podcast, and race commentary, and a lot more.

One thing that came across as I prepared for this episode is that everybody loves

deaths.

And I think you'll see why in today's conversation.

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