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He is, of course, one of America's leading political and legal commentators,

intellectuals, and has been for a long, long time with a distinguished career, not only in the

public sphere, as an attorney in very prominent cases, but also at Harvard University. He's the author of 49 books, a daunting figure,

and now a 50th one, the price of principle, why integrity is worth the consequences. Our topic today,

welcome, Professor Dershowitz. Well, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.

We jump right into the book on this show.

You opened by saying that a terrible thing has happened in the 21st century.

Partisanship has replaced principle.

What would you say to someone who objects, wait a minute, it's always been this way.

People just hid their partisanship a little better back in the old days.

No, I wouldn't agree with that.

I think that people did work together much better in past times, even in my lifetime.

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