The following talk was given at the Insight Meditation Center in Redwood City, California.

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So, that's a little bit abrupt for me to come out of meditation and now suddenly have to speak.

So, I'll like to do today is to bring in a perspective and orientation on our life or in our practice,

Buddhist practice, from another domain, another field And that's often can be useful because it kind of, you know, helps

us to kind of see what we're doing in a new way, whether it's looking at our Buddhist practice in a new way or whether independent of

that almost looking at our own life in a new way that's kind of the hope for this

talk and I'd like to think of what that to what I'm hope for this talk.

And I'd like to think of what I'm going to point towards

is the depth of the darma, but rather than thinking of the darma is something outside of you,

it's the depth of your darma or the depth that's potentially yours, how to understand yourself

in some deep way.

And the orientation I'm going to provide is a way,

principles or a point of view that chaplains use when they offer spiritual care.

Especially here in California,

chaplains who work in hospitals

are offering spiritual care to anybody who are willing to or wants to have

care from them, including people who are atheists and non-religious.

And chaplains are in California are, even though there might be Buddhist or Christian or Jewish or Muslim chaplains, they're explicitly working in the hospital as an interfaith chaplain.

So as an interfaith chaplain, you're not there to proselytize, you're not there to provide people with a meaning of life that you have from maybe your own religion,

you're there to discover what's going on for that person in some deep way,

understand them deeply, for example in terms of the meaning of life, you might want to discover what is their

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