But broadly speaking, politics on the terrain of the law is pro-systemic, pro-opression,

and you can win a battle but lose a war kind of a thing.

And in terms of our, you know, your and my and many of your listeners and many of our comrades

and colleagues, our larger aspirations, you know, in terms of winning the war, just that's a path

that runs around the law or through the law in the

sense of knocking it over. It's not a sort of polite work with the law. It doesn't run through

the law in the sense of collaboration and doing things that the law approves of or, you know,

lobbying and legislation. The law is on the other side. It's not on our side, fundamentally.

Yeah. legislation like the laws on the other side it's not on our side fundamentally Welcome to the death panel.

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I'm Beatrice Sadler Bolton, and I'm excited to be joined today by returning guest and dear

friend of the panel, Nate Holdren.

Nate is a legal historian of capitalism and is a professor at Drake University.

He is the author of the book, Injury, Impoverished, Workplace Accidents, Capitalism and Law in

the Progressive Era.

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