Department of State v. AIDS Vaccine Advocacy Coalition
5-4
Prologue Projects
4.5 • 3.7K Ratings
🗓️ 14 October 2025
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
Feels like we should be able to collectively wrestle with the problems of a system by which 14 million people will die in the next five years because one man can decide to withhold a bunch of money that Congress said needed to be spent, but unfortunately, because of the law, and what the law says, no one can sue about it. Good luck with figuring this one out.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. In this episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Riannon, and Michael are talking about the Department of State v. AIDS Vaccine Advocacy Coalition. This is a recent case about the Trump administration's efforts to block foreign aid that has |
| 0:20.8 | already been funded by Congress. At the beginning of his term, Trump signed an executive order |
| 0:25.7 | to halt all foreign aid that did not align the administration's goals. In response, the AIDS |
| 0:31.6 | Vaccine Advocacy Coalition, along with other nonprofits, sued the government and said that the president |
| 0:36.7 | cannot unilaterally |
| 0:38.1 | block foreign aid funding. The Trump administration is announcing more steep cuts, this time for an |
| 0:43.8 | AIDS relief program. This South African lab may be close to a breakthrough in the fight against |
| 0:49.9 | HIV, but its researchers have had to stop work after U.S. President Donald Trump hit |
| 0:56.1 | pause on foreign aid. |
| 0:58.1 | The Supreme Court in yet another shadow docket decision ruled in favor of President Trump, |
| 1:03.8 | stating that at least for now, the nonprofits do not appear to have standing to sue. |
| 1:08.6 | This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. |
| 1:14.6 | Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have revised |
| 1:19.7 | our nation's trajectory downwards, like the latest jobs numbers. |
| 1:23.3 | I'm Peter. |
| 1:24.1 | Yes. |
| 1:24.8 | I'm here with Riannon. |
| 1:25.8 | Hey. |
| 1:26.8 | And Michael. |
| 1:27.4 | So are we in a recession yet, or are we are we free recession? No. I don't know. We need to revise the numbers, Michael. Okay. Yeah. There's no conclusions yet. We're revising. What continuously happens now, usually like there are jobs reports and then they will occasionally be revised upwards or downwards once we have a little |
| 1:46.0 | more information. |
| 1:47.2 | And we've just seen a series of downward revisions. |
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