Demystifying Anthropic and ClaudeAI with Gideon Lewis-Kraus
Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast
MS NOW, Chris Hayes
4.6 • 9.1K Ratings
🗓️ 3 March 2026
⏱️ 61 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | this is the worst they will ever be. Like right now is the worst they will ever be. And a lot of the |
| 0:06.0 | reactions do seem to be sort of like stuck in this moment of 2021, 2021, when like they're like, |
| 0:12.1 | the failures were kind of laughable. And like you could like have a gas about asking it to count |
| 0:16.3 | the R's and strawberry or whatever. But like if you think this is a serious threat, you have to take |
| 0:20.3 | it seriously, which means you have to engage with like what it's actually empirically doing now,. But like, if you think this is a serious threat, you have to take it seriously, |
| 0:22.0 | which means you have to engage with, like, what it's actually empirically doing now, |
| 0:24.1 | which is, like, not glorified autocorrect. |
| 0:32.1 | Hello, and welcome to Why Is This Happening |
| 0:33.9 | with me, your host, Chris Hayes. |
| 0:40.8 | We are right now, as I speak to you in the midst of one of these kind of occasional |
| 0:44.7 | cyclical bits of like very intense AI focus and hype. And I feel like there's been a strange |
| 0:50.9 | cycle for all of us, you know, who don't like work in AI and don't work in computer science. |
| 0:56.3 | The last few years, I think since Chat GPT was introduced where there's these kind of oscillating cycles of hype. |
| 1:03.3 | And, you know, we read about it in the business section of the paper and the economic section of the paper and literally untold amounts of capital expenditure and investment happening. It's driving a |
| 1:11.9 | huge part of the economy. Every other ad in the Super Bowls about it being bombarded. And some part of |
| 1:18.1 | me has reacted to it with a kind of like fetal position sense of like dread and that it gives |
| 1:24.5 | me the bad feeling. And one of my New Year's resolutions was to, like, |
| 1:28.4 | get out of that defensive crouch, because once I get past my sort of aesthetic distaste and |
| 1:34.8 | political and moral concerns with it and dive into like the deep questions of the technology, |
| 1:40.6 | it's genuinely probably the most fascinating thing happening right now in the world, |
| 1:45.8 | particularly for someone like myself that was a philosophy major and was particularly interested in |
| 1:49.7 | philosophy of mind and cognitive science and consciousness. And so one of my New Year's resolutions |
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