Kent Hecken lively joins us today. He is a much published and successfully so, a figure whose books include

plague of corruption, restoring faith in the promise of science, which is being turned into a

documentary film, I understand. And now, another book, The Diversity Con, the Secrets and Lies

Behind the Shady Industry. That's our topic today. It is co-written

with David Johnson. Welcome, Mr. Peckin-Lively. Thanks so much for having me. The word in your

title, industry, it suggests that we approach DEI, at this point, not so much as a set of ideas and visions or theories,

so much as an institution, a whole, a little universe, an economic universe with funding,

with personnel, regulatory, and commodity features.

Is that sort of your take on things?

Yeah, and not just an industry, because we like to think of industries as something that thrive

on their own.

You know, there's a public hunger for it.

You know, you find a need, you fill it.

What I discovered in my investigation of this with my co-author David Johnson is I

discovered that there is an industry that is not really an industry, it's a subsidy.

What's happening is people are creating the need.

They are pushing this forward.

So think of it like the green new energy deal pushed by the government.

But this is being pushed by some very liberal dark forces, I believe.

And, you know, David Johnson, you know, stepped into this DEI world, which, you know, he has come to believe that as a civilization-ending philosophy.

I mean, what we really have to say is that the dream of Martin Luther King,

in which we would be judged by the content of our character, not our skin color, is a civilization

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