It's meant to be people who are otherwise healthy or healthy by all conventional metrics,

but they have a lot of health anxiety. And this population is very ripe for a lot of the wellness marketing,

from tons of supplements they don't need to all these different health tech things that they don't need to

Lots of obsessive life behaviors and to be perfectly honest I was in that period for a while myself

I used to travel with my own balsamic vinegar

so I wouldn't be exposed to certain solid salad oils.

Yeah, I travel internationally with TSA approved packets of balsamic vinegar, right?

So I understand all of this. I did tons of testing through functional medicine. I spent thousands of dollars on different stuff and supplements for all these protocols when I was totally healthy.

Hello and welcome to another episode of Chasing Excellence.

My name is Patrick Cummings.

As always, I'm here with Ben Bergeron and we are joined this week.

A friend of the show, our friend, my favorite nutrition expert, E.C.

Sinkowski.

How you do anything? Awesome, thanks so much for having me on.

You've been on a number of times before.

I think maybe Heather's the only person who's been on more than you,

but so folks will, folks will know you,

folks will recognize you, you're the creator of the 800-gram challenge of Lazy Macros, you and I also have a podcast together called The Consistency Project and you run a company called

Optimized Me Nutrition. We'll put show notes to all those things or put links to all those things in the show notes for those folks who maybe are new to you EC.

Okay, every week on the show, we dedicate some time to explore how we can live a life of better health and increased fulfillment.

We answer your questions about the five factors of health,

dive deep on living a life of excellence,

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