This is Jim Simovan and you are listening to That UFO podcast.

How has your opinion changed or formed as to what we might actually be dealing with in terms of,

you mentioned flying saucer, for your example, but then we've got these tick-tack objects.

We've got these eggs being picked up by whistleblowers.

What is going on in terms of

what we're dealing with? So, yeah, I think we're dealing with controlled disclosure for sure now

at this point. It's almost hard not to see that.

I think that we're seeing a very complex game being played out here,

where you have multiple sort of different factions within the deep state apparatus.

This is just my personal belief system that are sort of vying for different paradigms, right?

Conserving different paradigms.

And like what we see, like the people are pro disclosure, they're the results of the faction that wants disclosure. Like Lou generally, my opinion, doesn't want disclosure.

I'm not calling him deep state.

But I have not ruled out and he would know this. Everybody does. but I have not ruled out, and he would know this.

Everybody does. Like, I've not ruled out that everybody is like, like, you know, there is somebody

deeper, like something for, you know, something pushing the strings or pulling the strings.

I don't even know who. That's the disturbing part. Six years in, despite, like,

me being, like,

one degree away from the most powerful people

on the fucking planet,

or so I thought,

you know,

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