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Deep Cover

Deep Cover Presents: Snowball

Deep Cover

Pushkin Industries

True Crime, History

4.33.8K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2025

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

In 2006, Greg Wards was your average Kiwi backpacker on an overseas adventure in the UK, working hard, playing harder — and falling head-over-heels in love. After a whirlwind international romance, Greg married Lezlie Manukian in New Zealand. Their new life started out by setting up a small business north of Auckland. But a snowball had started to roll the day Greg met Lezlie Manukian. It wasn't long before this ball of chaos gathered pace and crushed Greg and his family.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Pushkin

0:06.7

Hey, it's Jake here.

0:12.1

We're hard at work on the next season of Deep Cover.

0:15.3

And trust me, it's a story you won't want to miss.

0:18.7

But in the meantime, we wanted to bring you another show,

0:22.3

this time by the Unravel podcast team at ABC Australia, that explores a story of outrageous

0:29.4

deception. It's called Snowball. And for the next few weeks, we'll be sharing that podcast right here.

0:39.5

Snowball follows journalist Ali Wardards as he unravels the wild story how his own family was taken in and taken down by a charming

0:47.5

conwoman from California. And he tries to find out where she is now. We're talking financial ruin, shattered trust,

0:56.3

and a mystery that stretches out across continents and decades. It's got all the twists and turns

1:03.1

you'd expect from a high-stakes crime thriller, only it's all true. If you love deep cover

1:10.0

for the detailed reporting, the unexpected characters, and the way that the truth slowly unspools, Snowball will absolutely pull you in.

1:20.2

Starting November 3rd, you can hear episodes of Snowball right here.

1:25.2

Okay, here's a preview.

1:30.0

My brother, an American con artist.

1:34.6

I find myself in a murky world of con artists and swindlers.

1:39.8

This isn't the kind of story you would expect to happen to a pretty average Kiwi family like mine.

1:45.6

I was just gobsmacked as to what's going on here.

1:49.8

I just remember it being like, whoa.

1:52.4

She had this dark, vivacious.

1:55.7

And then, whoa.

1:56.8

A surfer's skin and look to her.

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