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🗓️ 7 August 2025
⏱️ 17 minutes
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When Nick Grey started his cordless vacuum business 20 years ago he took a big risk by handing a lot of control to a much bigger rival. The entrepreneur, who’d designed and built prototypes in his garage, tells Evan Davis about that decision and the moment he knew it had really paid off.
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Producer: Simon Tulett Editor: Matt Willis Sound: Gareth Jones and Jonny Baker Production co-ordinator: Katie Morrison
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0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. |
0:05.4 | When the Hungarian academic Ernesto Rubik first revealed a manipulatable wooden cube to his |
0:11.8 | architecture students back in 1974, he had no idea what it would go on to become. |
0:17.4 | The professor was looking for the best way to get his class to think about |
0:21.2 | geometric forms and spatial relationships. When the students clearly loved the puzzle and would |
0:26.9 | dedicate days and weeks to unscrambling it, he knew he might be on to something. But it takes a lot |
0:32.2 | more than an idea and even a prototype to ensure success in business. You need money and in the case of physical products like toys, |
0:40.5 | you need manufacturing and lots of it. |
0:43.3 | And that can mean giving up some control of your product. |
0:48.4 | Now, Professor Rubik licensed his product to the American Ideal Toy Company in 1980, which churned out the little cubes in their millions. |
0:58.0 | Within a few years, the professor was sitting on an incredible success story, his name was famous, |
1:04.0 | and he'd done it without getting involved in the manufacturing, marketing or distribution himself. |
1:10.0 | The Rubik's Cube is now still one of the |
1:12.8 | best-selling toys of all time. However, handing over a product's intellectual property to grow fast |
1:18.7 | and at scale isn't without its risks. There are numerous cases of licensees imposing pretty |
1:24.5 | punitive terms on entrepreneurs or cases of the licensee running off with the idea |
1:30.0 | completely. And how can you, as an inventor, be sure the licensee will stay true to your |
1:36.1 | original idea, or that it won't be a flop? I'm Evan Davis, and this is the decisions that made me, |
1:42.3 | a series of interviews from the bottom line team |
1:44.6 | about the make-or-break moments in the careers of top business figures. |
1:49.3 | And in this episode, I'm going to hear about a similar decision to the one Professor Rubik |
1:54.3 | faced more than 40 years ago. |
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