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Sporting careers are on the whole much shorter than most others.

Professional footballers have on average, what, about 10 years to make their money?

Perhaps the same for tennis and cricket.

If you're a gymnast, your career can be over by the time your peers are finishing university. So the

decision about what to do next is an important one. Now some do very well for themselves. Take

Gary Lineker who set up his own podcast empire alongside his broadcast presenting duties. You have

former world tennis number one Serena Williams who set up her own venture capital fund.

Those two, of course, were members of their sports elites. They could probably have opted to

never work again and lived off their career earnings. But what if you're part of the vast

majority of sportsmen and women, the people who really do need to carry on working once they've hung up

their boots, rackets, or in the case of my guest this week, helmets. I'm Evan Davis, and welcome

to a new series of the decisions that made me, the podcast from the bottom line team that brings

you interviews with top business figures about the make-or-break moments in their careers.

And in this episode, I'm going to hear about the end of a sporting career

and the beginning of a business one and how it's set high school dropout turned go-kart racer,

Zach Brown, on a path to becoming boss of one of the biggest names in motorsport. All right, Zach, I just think we should start right at the very beginning, because you live here in the UK now. I love it here. You were not born here. You were born in L.A. Correct, but I feel like a Brit now. But tell me about your schooling, because it, I mean, many parents who have kids who are struggling at school or who hate school might be inspired by your story because you didn't really flourish academically.

No, that would be a, it's an understatement. I didn't graduate high school. I was not a good student. I wasn't interested. And I've always been, if I'm interested in something I'm all in,

and if I'm not interested, I'm not interested. And there were very few subjects at school

that captured my attention. Baseball and work experience, funny enough, where my two things I

excelled at and everything else was not so good. You didn't get into trouble, into drugs,

into pre-cells. I got into trouble. I was not a good student. I didn't go. And then when I did go,

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